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Posted on 26-09-2006 03:41
Assalaamu 'Allaykum,

Subhanallah, Islaam is being hi-jacked everywhere. Whether it is by some Khawaarij extremist or the السفهاء Sofahaa (Foolish) sufis. In my locality (California), Islaam and the Sunnah have been hi-jacked by Zaytuna Insitute which is located in Bay Area California.

Zaytuna Institute is a pure sufi school, which has duped many Muslims in the west. They claim to follow/teach "traditional Islaam." However, in reality, they have opened the doors of shirk and bid'ah. In their school, which is located in Hayward California, attracts many new Muslims who simply want to study "traditional Islaam." Walaahi, it saddens me that nobody from ahlilsunnah is preventing these people from spreading such corrupted Aqeedah.

I am writting this because, the "sunni" organization in our area have refused to warn the Muslims from Zaytuna Institute. Nobody seems to understand how much damage this is doing to the Muslims in the west. Soon before we know it, all new Muslim will be sufis, Allaahu Must'aan. If you think I am kidding visit their website and see it for yourself (www.zaytuna.org).

So I advice all the brothers and Sisters to expose the situation of these quburiyeen and warn agianst them with the strongest warnings.

May Allah aid us in spreading the haq, ameen


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Posted on 26-09-2006 07:10
Assalam Alaikum

I have been following the talks of Imam Hamza Yusuf for a few years now and had the pleasure of meeting him once in person as well. What sadens me is individuals such as yourself who spread mischeaf about respected scholars who have been trained by some of the foremost authorities on Ahle Sunnah today.

I am glad no one in your local area listened to you and I hope no one ever does.

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Posted on 26-09-2006 07:13
In your eagerness to spread mischeaf, you even gave the wrong link of zaytuna, leading to a porn website. Here is the correct link:

http://www.zaytuna.org

There is nothing to hide here, I hope readers view your informative and scholarly articles, not to mention audio/video talks on a variety of Islamic subjects
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Posted on 26-09-2006 13:04
as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
i ask all the brothers to present their case without abuse.... as for hamza yusuf, he has been spreading accusations against the salafis: i heard that he lately had challenged any salafi to debate him...i am busy, or i will have taken him on that challenge...... if the brother who defended him wants more evidence, then he should ask for it from the brother who wrote that article against zaytuna, without abuse, which does not help...as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
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Posted on 26-09-2006 17:07
Assalamu 'Allaykum to those who follow guidance,

First of all, I can't believe you actually consider this guy to be an "Imaam." The guy is pure asha'ree in aqeedah and he mocks the ulemaa and the aqeedah of ahlilsunnah. They guy's corruption can be seen from many different levels. One convert who's name is Yusuf Estes use to give lectures in Zaytuna Institute and after seeing the kinds of bid'ah that they are spreading he sent out the following e-mail.

Bismillah Rahman Raheem
As-Salam Alaykum:
Re: Hamza Yusuf and his new teachings

I ask Allah to Forgive me and protect me from the evil one and from the evil within myself. I ask all of the brothers and sisters to pray for me that I be rightly guided in the future and forgive me for keeping silent so long on a very serious issue. For more than one year I have wrestled with the notion of whether or not to expose one of our scholars in Islam here in America for some very serious deviation in his teachings. In my defence, I thought perhaps he would come to his senses or that possibly myself or someone could have the opportunity to sit with him and correct him in these areas. I was wrong. Recently it has escalated to the extent that he is misquoting the Quran, denying certain verses, presenting wrong hadeeth and in general showing Islam in the wrong light. And to make matters worse, he is doing it on prime time television. Due to his fame and access to the media, this now presents a great problem for all of us.

This letter is in regard to the teachings and understandings of Hamza Yusuf. It is very difficult to write due to the sensitivity of the subject and the respect for all our scholars in Islam today. We are forced to mention certain things about the beliefs of one of our leaders in the USA and his teachings. In the process however, we must do so in the most delicate manner so as not to cause further separation and division in the Muslim community when this is definitely not the time to divide ourselves up. Even so, it is all the more important to say what I have to say about our brother Hamza's understandings and teachings and the way that he is misrepresenting us as Muslims to the media and to the non-Muslims in general. The hard part is to do so with the most consideration for him and for all those who have been following him.

First of all, I am not the first one to offer this information regarding some of the beliefs held or at least promoted by Hamza Yusuf. In fact, I may be guilty of holding back information all too long, for the sake of trying to keep the ummah together on the issue of the our brother Hamza Yusuf in California. If you have not heard of him, you should. He is a good speaker and knows how to hold the attention of a crowd. He has been promoted heavily in the past by well known Muslim organizations like: ISNA; ICNA; Sound Vision and others. He is an American who chose to come to Islam and then went to study in another country to learn more about Arabic and Islam. He has worked hard and produced a large following.

For several years people have been asking me about the rumors regarding Hamza Yusuf and his "Zaytunna Institute." I have tried to avoid saying anything in a way that would be considered backbiting or slanderous. Yet, I have had complaints from some of those who actually were in his community studying under his tutelage. I took the opportunity over a year ago to go out to California and visit him, at the request of those who were commenting on the "strange" things that bothered them. After my visit I was convinced that there was a problem, but I did not feel that the best way to handle the situation was to publicly "blow the whistle" on him. I know that the Muslims today have a tendency to overreact and often they will turn against the one trying to help in the matter, out of their ignorance of Islam's teachings on these types of issues.

It is all too easy to point the finger at someone who has said or done something that appears against the principles of Islam and call them misguided. And worse, these days anyone can be called a "kafar" (disbeliever) just for saying the someone else is not following Islam correctly.

Additionally, a factor came into play that I really did not want to upset. That is that so many people (including our own family) love the audios and videos that Shaikh Hamza has produced. If you realize that this is the kind of thing which helps keep Muslims together, then you must also realize that any criticism could hurt feelings and cause ruffled feathers amongst the ummah. There certain video and audio producers and distributors who are making a lot of money from the sale of Hamza's tapes and they have been notified on no uncertain terms that there are problems with Hamza's Manhaj (methodology) to say the least. They refused to do anything about it or even suggest anything was wrong. Why? Some have accused them of turning a blind eye to truth in favor of the money they make on Hamza's tapes. They couple this with the fact that these same distributors also offer tapes with music on them. I don't think that is fair, however.

Let me now come to the main point. While investigating charges leveled at Shaikh Hamza, I personally stood in his Zaytunna Institute in California and watched as Shaikh Muhammad Yaqubi from Syria was conducting a class in Sufi Dhikr. For hours his students sat there on the floor rocking back and forth saying only: "Allah. Allah. Allah." Over and over again. One of the complaints from a student was that a Shaikh at Zaytunna Institute was forcing them to do hundreds of different Dhikrs everyday. So much so, that they were not able to complete their daily chores, but if they tried to stop a shaytan would start beating them. I advised them to stop immediately and get away from anything dealing with the shaytan. Keep in mind this is not Hamza, but rather someone working in his "institute."

My other experiences with Hamza have shown me that he has a tendency toward exaggerating the meanings of words, especially when it comes to discussing issues of any type. I have heard him time and again give the wrong meanings to words and then go off on tangents trying to prove up some point that just is not there. I recall one instance when I offered him some scented oil and he pulled away and then said he needed to smell it first. After smelling it, he began to tell those gathering around that actually from the Sunnah he was able to understand that smells provided cures for diseases. He then mistranslated the word for fragrance (at-teesmiley to be related to the word for doctor and then derived from that the meaning of prescription and then cure. From there he took off on a non-Muslim expert on scents and fragrances used for cures and began explaining that the plants have to be grown organically for them to still have the affect that they once had in the past.

The relevance of the whole situation is that many people in the West have come to regard Hamza as a scholar of Islam. I don't think that he is trying to promote himself so much as a scholar but it is possible that he may just be trying to promote his understandings of different words. But in view of the recent increased attention and focus on all Muslims and especially our leaders, we are forced to come forward and clarify what is the true Islam and who are the true scholars.. We have to be up front and say what needs to be said, without fear of criticism from others.


Here is second e-mail of Yusuf Estes about Hamza Yusuf and Zaytuna Institute.

From: Sheikh Yusuf Estes ( sheikyusuf@aol.com )
To: (ADDRESS REMOVED) Someone who had complained about his first email
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:09 AM
Subject: May Allah forgive our mistakes, ameen. re: Article on Hamza Yousef

Bismillah Rahman Raheem
Salam Alaykum dear brother in Islam:

First, I begin by saying thank you for taking the time to write to me directly. I am amazed that someone criticized me to another person behind my back, for having criticized someone else, even though it was according to the teachings of Islam.

Also, up front we must say that no one is calling anyone else a nonbeliever (kafr). This all came about as an effort to clarify the correct teachings of Islam to many, including Muslims, who are very confused and concerned about what Islam does actually teach.

Before I begin, there is something that I should mention in all candidness. The organizations that I represent are not behind me in making these statements, at least they are not going to admit it publicly.

Additionally, the critique that was emailed out did not originate with me. Someone else with more knowledge and courage did a very through job on it and then forwarded it out and put in on the Internet. I did not take permission to reveal their identity, nor do I feel that it is necessary to disclose that information. If people want to be angry with me, so be it. At least it will not tear down years of work of a hard working scholar of Islam. By showing the identity what would be the benefit? Then the two scholars [Hamza & the other] may start to be against each other and divide the people up even further. If the whole matter stops at me, then there is actually very little loss. Right?

After all, who am I? I am just a brother who came to Islam some years ago, that goes around trying to bring others to Islam. I am merely a concerned Muslim who wants to do what Allah has ordered and what has been established by our righteous predecessors in Islam. If I am wrong, then I need to be shown proof from Quran and Sunnah regarding the matter in order to correct my mistakes and also to be able to go back to Allah in humility and beg for His Forgiveness.

Now to begin, inshallah. I love you for the sake of Allah. I pray that Allah Guide us both to truth and forgive any mistakes, ameen. I have been criticized for the way the brother treated the subject of Hamza Yusuf's comments on television as being "fitnah." But there is a lot of truth in what he said. He definitely used the right word: "fitnah." -- This word is particularly used in Islam to mean the things which could take someone out of Islam. It is the same word that Allah used when He told us that our wives, children, property and so on would all be "fitnah" [hard trials] for us.

The predictions of our beloved prophet, peace be upon him, are coming true faster than pearls fallen from a broken neckless.

Consider that he told us in the Last Days that the true scholars would be taken away and ignorance would be everywhere and the people without knowledge would be perceived as people with knowledge.

All of this is of course a test for all of us. Consider the recent events and how Muslims around the world are responding:

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Afghanis blew up Buddhist statues -- what was our response?
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Suicide bombers went into gatherings of Jews in Palestine -- what did we say?
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Attacks came against America -- the blame went to Muslims immediately -- what did we do?
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America is now destroying Muslim property, Muslim lives and thousands are homeless and dying as a result -- what are we doing?
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And certain individuals are promoting their distorted views of Islam, while raising themselves to be close to those who are doing these things. What would you like me to say?

I will not apologize for being a Muslim. Nor will I apologize for what Muslims have NOT DONE. Additionally I refuse to back down from the fact that Islam is the only valid answer to the problems facing our world today. We must stand up now before it is too late. Mark my words. This is not a time to play and think that things are going to go back to "normal" for the Muslims in this or any other country. Allah has made it clear for us. Now we must carry this message or suffer the real consequences.

I have fallen under criticism for more than one year because I have not spoken out about what I know on this issue. I was trying to use the time to do exactly what you have said. Many others have expressed concerns over these same matters. I delayed for more than one year saying anything publicly.

I regret only that we did not move earlier on this subject. You see this has been well known to a number of us here in the states as well as abroad. Hamza has totally disregarded our efforts to speak to him on these or any subjects. He immediately begins to give lectures in the middle of discussions and goes off on definitions of words that have no meaning whatsoever to the conversation. (and they are incorrect in meaning as well).

I met with him a year ago in July at his place in California. [he ignored me]

I sat next to him in a very important meeting of imams for America in Chicago last year at ISNA. [he talked over me - and everyone else]

And then again I spoke with him at the ISNA Conference in Chicago. [he had his own agenda -- which included publicly attacking the belief of the Salaf as Saleeh (The companions and rightly guided early generations of Muslims) in the form of saying something twisted about "Wahabees" in his main lecture to thousands.]

I have referred new Muslims to his "Zaytunna Institute" only to find that they were not being taught Islam at all, they were being forced into doing "Sufi Dhikr." One lady complained to me over the phone and then when I went out there she told me that the shaytan were punishing her for not obeying the head "Shaikh" at Zaytunna. (This was Muhammad Yaqubi from Syria - who happens to be one of the muftis of the Shadaleyah Tareeqah). I personally went in and found his followers sitting on the floor reciting the word "Allah" over and over again for hours without stopping. Their eyes were closed and they were swaying back and forth as in a trance. This is not the proper way to introduce people to Islam.

When people begin learning "Islam" from these types it is very difficult for them to simply break away. Some are afraid that the jinn will bother them. Others think that the dead shaikhs have some mystical powers. The list goes on.

We have only produced exactly what he has said on the most important occasion of trying to bring about a better understanding of what Islam is all about. I realize that all of us, especially me make mistakes in our presentations. Sometimes, like last Sunday, I put things in the wrong order and loose valuable time and even the attention of some of the listeners. I ask Allah to forgive me for that. But when it comes to the material that is presented, if it is not in conjunction with what the Quran and the Sunnah teach, what would you suggest?

Would you accept that someone says something to a non-Muslim about the Quran that can open doors to huge attacks against Islam for no reason?

Is it right to sit silent while someone is making our Deen appear to have mistakes in it?

In fact, that is why I have been criticized so heavily in the recent weeks. I had received admonition during the summer just before leaving for Egypt from some of our brothers who study at one of our Islamic institutes in Virginia. They insisted that we begin exposing Hamza's institute before he did his last big nationwide drive for enrollment. But I thought I should wait a little longer. Now look what has happened.

There are others involved in this "Sufi" movement as well. I have not sat with them personally nor have they corresponded with me. However, I can assure you that the teachings coming from their sources have serious errors in them and could even be considered leading out of Islam completely.

All this time, this groups such as "sufees" And "Shiites" and "Nation of Islam" and "Ahmadiyyans" and "Rastafarians" and "Moorish Science Temple" and "Ansar Allah" and "Five Percenters" and "Submitters International" are actually doing the thing that you are complaining against me: They are dividing up the Muslims through their various cults and tareeqahs. We ask everyone to come together and unify according to what Allah has ordered us in the first place, and that is to unify under the Quran and the Sunnah.

Thank you again for coming straight to me with this subject. If I chose to reveal the topic, I will conceal your identity, inshaallah.

Salam Alaykum wa Rahmatulah,
Your brother in Islam,
Yusuf



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Posted on 26-09-2006 17:15
Assalamu Allaykum,

This is the response to the second post of Rahim Shah. Akh Rahim, you state about my first post that

In your eagerness to spread mischeaf, you even gave the wrong link of zaytuna, leading to a porn website. Here is the correct link:


First of all, I know the link is www.zaytuna.org and that was an honest mistake in my part. I am not trying to hide anything else. I simply typed dotcom instead of dot.org.

Insha'Allah, if you are willing to look over some of the grave mistakes by Hamza Yusuf and his Zaytuna Institute, I will provide the evidence and show you how he is against the aqeedah of Ahlilsunnah. In addition, I am not just talking about Hamza Yusuf but also "Imaam" Zaid Shakir, Shayk Saalek, Habeeb Ali Al-jeffry and the others who are teaching in Zaytuna.


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Posted on 26-09-2006 17:27
“Tafsir: Surah Al-Insan:” audio lecture by Hamza Yusuf.

“In interpreting Surah 76, verse no. 9: ” Wajh in Arabic language means the essence, all the ul’ama of kalam (scholars of theology) are, almost categorically in agreement on this, even though all of this is considered mutashbih (i.e. unclear/confusing matter) almost all the ul’ama (scholars) say that this means the essence of Allah SWT but it is still considered from the mutashabihat (i.e. unclear/confusing matters) so we always say Allahu a’lam, no’emeno bihi ala muradi-llah (Allah knows best, we believe in it as Allah wants)… The wajh in Arabic language means face but it also means the essence.” (Part 2 Side A)

Subhanallah, where did he get such an idea about these verses if he indeed is from ahlulsunnah. what kind of ‘aqeedah is he trying to teach the new Muslims. The ayah that he is making the tafseer of says,


إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُكُمْ لِوَجْهِ اللَّهِ لَانُرِيدُ مِنكُمْ جَزَاء وَلَا شُكُورًا

(Saying): “We feed you seeking Allâh’s face. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you. (Al-Insan 76:9)
It is clear from his statements that he is denying a face for Allah, while Allah has affirmed that for himself. He says, “Wajh in Arabic language means the essence…” This is not true. “Ibn Manthoor, in his famous Arabic Dictionary, “Lisaan ‘Arab” it states that, “The meaning of the wajh is very well-known i.e. the face.”

Shayk Abdir-Rahmaan Sa’dee(رحمه اللهsmiley in his tafseer says about surah al-insan vers. 9 that, “They intend with their giving and feeding (those who are in need) seeking the face of Allah.” From the history of the Muslims, we know that the Jahmiyyah sect are the once who denied the face of Allah. They merely interpreted as “self” meaning Allah himself. The two great scholars, Al-Khattabi and Imaam Al-Bayhaqi have explained that Allah has attributed face for Himself.Furthermore, Allah says in Surah Ar-Rahmaan,


وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلَالِ وَالْإِكْرَامِ

“And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will abide forever.” (Ar-Rahman 55:27)
In this ayah Allah describes the His face with “Majesty” and “Honor”. In addition, others who denied the face of Allah say that “face” means the “rewards which He gives to his obedient slaves.” So, if this is true, why did the prophet (صلي الله عليه و سلمsmiley say, “I seek refuge in Your Glorious Face that You might give me shade. You are the Living who does not die, while men and jinn die.” ? Was he seeking refuge in the “rewards” which are created by Allah? Subhanallah. So this shows the what kind of error Hamza Yusuf is on. And May Allah guide us and him to the correct way.


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Posted on 26-09-2006 21:39
Assalam Alaikum

I will only make brief comments here.

I do not think I "abused" anyone. I do sincerely wish and believe that the efforts of those who try to malign scholars in such a manner fail.

Imam Hamza Yusuf is a trained and sober scholar. He does not give out "debate challenges" in the manner that was implied, or if he has then this is probably the first time. It seems that brother Jalal's information is likely hearsay and not confirmed. Personally, it would be nice to see the two (Br Jalal and Imam Hamza Yusuf) to have a *dialogue* on issues of disagreement.

Regarding the *alleged* email from Yusuf Estes, then I do not and would not go by hearsay rumours. Do you know for sure, without a shadow of doubt, that these emails were really sent out by Yusuf Estes? Did you attempt to make any verifications? You are simply going by hearsay. Now, a little over a month ago I actually attended a conference where a number of scholars, including Estes, delivered talks. Among these scholars were many who have a very positive view of Hamza Yusuf. So, I have my doubts. Of course, this does not mean that these emails are false, I am just saying that I do not know --and no one here appears to have made any investigation -- that these are genuine mails. Now, I did a little search online and found something interesting on Yusuf Estes' website. The emails you have quoted are actually misquotations and distortions of Yusuf Estes' words. You can read about this here:

http://www.islamalways.com/en/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=77

Yes, Yusuf Estes does disagree on some points with Imam Hamza, yet he regards him as a brother (his own word) in Islam. Compare that with your behaviour towards Imam Hamza Yusuf. Read this warning very carefully on Yusuf Estes website:

"IMPORTANT: Some websites have taken parts of our articles and added to and subtracted from our statements. We are not responsible for anything published outside of our websites. May Allah guide us all, ameen."


http://islamtomorrow.com/groups/default.asp

So, you need to verify information before blindly accepting it as true due to your animosity towards others.

Finally, while I understand that some scholars would not agree with everything that Imam Hamza Yusuf has said, not to mention other scholars who would agree with him, such differences of opinion among scholars have always existed and they did not lash out in such a manner against one another. You do not need to accept each and every word uttered by Imam Hamza Yusuf, but there is no denying his immense learning and scholarship. You need to accept the basic fact of life that scholars do disagree with each other at times and when they do, it is up to you to accept or reject a view based on your percieved strength of evidence, instead of maligning scholars. Generally, scholars of all orientations and schools of thought have an overall positive view of Imam Hamza Yusuf and his Zaytuna Institute.

This is all that I have to say and, I am sure, it won't have any effect on you and like minded individuals.

wassalam

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Posted on 27-09-2006 02:55
Wa Allaykum Salaam brother Rahim,

Do you know what Asha'ari is? Hamza Yusuf is Asha'ri in Aqeedah. He clearly denies attributes that Allah has aleady affirmed for Himself. What else have you got to say? This man clearly promotes sufism. In many of his tapes, he advices people to study the sufi way. Why can't you understand that Sufism is not from Ahlilsunnah? Allahu Must'aan. His followers went as far as posting posters of "Shayk" Habeeb Ali Al-jeffry inside their masjid. Is this Ahlilsunnah? Habeeb Ali-Al-Jeffry is the same individual that comes and lectures in Zaytuna and other sufi gatherings in California. Interestingly, many of the senior Scholars of Ahlilsunnah have already made statements against Habeeb Ali Al-jeffry. Such scholars include, Shayk Saalih Al-Fawzaan, Shayk Abdulazeez Ar-Raijihee, Shayk Ubayd Jabiree, and Shayk Abdullah Ghanaymaan (May Allah protect them all). However, you will find him (i.e. Habeeb Ali) in Zaytuna singing the burdah with Hamza Yusuf. So brother, Rahim, why can't you see this? Here is some video clips of "Shayk" habeeb Ali Al-Jeffry.

1) Here is a clip of him saying that the qabr [grave] of the Prophet (saw) is better than 'Arsh [throne] of Allah:
http://www.almijhar.net/rm/3arsh.rm

2) lying against Saheeh Muslim
http://www.almijhar.net/rm/kazebmuslem.rm

3) His saying that "Imaam" Shathaili spoke to Allah directly:
http://www.almijhar.net/rm/shazele.rm

4) Invents lies about Ibn Khuzaymah, Ibn hajar and Haakim
http://www.almijhar.net/rm/hagar.rm

5) Here is another disgusting video, please forward to 17m:15s, you will see Habeeb Ali Al-Jeffry.
http://www.almijhar.net/rm/afeon1.rm

Insha'Allah for those who are interested can visit this website which refutes Habeeb Ali and his followers. [url] http://www.almijhar.net
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May Allah guide us and them to the correct path.


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Assalamu Allaykum,

Akh, Rahim, even if the e-mails posted above are not direcly attributed to Yusuf Estes, all of is still the truth, everything which is mentioned in it. If you care to follow the link where I got those e-mails please visit:

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/individual_callers/hamza_yusuf/index.htm




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Posted on 27-09-2006 16:31
At first, I thought that the case was that people, out of hate for Hamza Yusuf have slandered him and lied against him which to a certain extent is the case but there has been situation after situation to which I have lost respect for him.

I mean it's just person after person who is speaking out against him, Yusuf Estes, Bilal Phillips and Hamza Yusuf himself has exposed himself, it's just too much.


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They have field trips to Yemen where they believe that the grave of Prophet Hud [as] is there and if they swim in the river near it, there sins are forgiven. Just some more typical graveworship.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=l2bj7LCQ28o&mode=related&search=

This clip shows Osama Canon, Habeeb Ali and others doing their sufi thikr. It is apparent that most of the people around them are mostly converts.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQWFU4vLspU&mode=related&search=

Here is another clip showing sufi dhikr with Habeeb Ali and some other individuals from Zaytuna institute.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LshInhQw43U&mode=related&search=

Here is Habeeb Ali Al-Jeffry with Hamza Yusuf Reciting the Burdah. In my research, I have found out that many of the scholars of the Sunnah both past and present have refuted the shirk and bid’ah that is contained in the Burdah of Al-Busayri.

Here is the second part of the link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7iamTz5LtDg&mode=related&search=

All these videos are hard evidence of what is happening inside the Zaytuna institute. Many of their supporters claim that they are teaching "traditional Islam" but in reality, they are teaching how to sake blessings from dead people.

For all of us in california, we should educate the New Muslims about the filth of sufism and how it has nothing to do with Islam. Somebody, maybe, brother Jalal should refute their figureheads and expose them to the public insha'Allah.




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Posted on 20-08-2007 15:32
assalaamualaikumwarahmatullah,

I think people should repent for some of these statements, the scholars mentioned such as shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Zaid Shaakir etc. are great scholars who have disseminated beneficial information, may Allah reward them. I jsut logged on for this purpose, falsifying some of my ignorant statements, may Allah forgive me
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Posted on 21-08-2007 17:29
as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
i asked my son amr to answer br. osama's post...but, i want to make it clear that the two mentioned characters are not scholars and are not on the quran and sunnah...osama should first read what they say, such as hamza yusuf's statement that he leanred with the sufis, their seeking to modrenize islam, etc., before he asks people to repent...being young and inecperienced in the sunnah does not justify denying what is clear and obvious: these two seek to reintriduce the sufi deviations and also modernize islam, whatever that means...br osama's not knowing these facts does not mean that these facts do not exist...
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Posted on 21-08-2007 19:03
Osama wrote:
assalaamualaikumwarahmatullah,

I think people should repent for some of these statements, the scholars mentioned such as shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Zaid Shaakir etc. are great scholars who have disseminated beneficial information, may Allah reward them. I jsut logged on for this purpose, falsifying some of my ignorant statements, may Allah forgive me


Salaam Alaikum...

Here is some information about the Ash`aree `Aqeedah of Hamza Yoosuf

1.
Tape name: Surah (Al-Insan) Part 2 Side A
In interpreting Surah 76, verse no. 9: “ Wajh in Arabic language means the essence, all the ul’ama of kalam (scholars of theology) are, almost categorically in agreement on this, even though all of this is considered mutashbih (i.e. unclear/confusing matter) almost all the ul’ama (scholars) say that this means the essence of Allah SWT but it is still considered from the mutashabihat (i.e. unclear/confusing matters) so we always say Allahu a’lam, no’emeno bihi ala muradi-llah (Allah knows best, we believe in it as Allah wants)… The wajh in Arabic language means face but it also means the essence.


Response:
In the `Aqeedah of Ahlus-Sunnah there is no Ta'weel of the meanings or Sifaat. Hamza Yoosuf here makes Ta'weel of the meaning that Allaah affirms for Himself, that He has a face, and takes it out of the meaning by saying that Allaah has no Wajh (face), but has an essence, only. This is exactly the same as what the Ash`arees do - with this Aayah and others, such as the Aayah of Allaah's hand, they say, "Allaah's hand is his power", which was not known to the Salaf such as Ahmad Ibn Hanbal - the Imaam of Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jamaa`ah.

A responce to this is the statement of Allaah, wherein He said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both my hands. Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the highly exalted?" (Sad 38:75)

Where is the Ta'weel in this Aayah? Allaah here says that He has - not just one - but Two hands.

At-Tabaree said in Tafseer of that Aayah,
"Ibn al-Muthanna informed us and said, Muhammad bin Ja`far informed us, he said, Shu`bah informed us, he said, `Ubaid, the writer informed us, he said, I heard Mujaahid report from ibn `Umar who said, “Allaah created four things with His hand: The Throne, `Aden (the garden of Eden), and the Pen, and Adam, and for everything else he said to it, ‘Be’ and it became.”

And as for the Tafseer of the Aayah that Hamza Yosuf mentioned, then Imaam Ibn Katheer says this about it, "Indeed we feed you for the Wajh of Allaah" means, in desire of acquiring the blessings of Allaah, and His pleasure."
So even then, his Tafseer is wrong, because Li Wajhillaah means that they want the pleasure of Allaah.


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You know, again this is the problem with religious language for the modern mind. The Qur’an, just to give you an example, says that there is nothing like God and immediately after that – it’s in a chapter called Shura (The Council) – and immediately after that it says and He is the All-Seeing, the All-Hearing. So here’s a verse that says there’s nothing like Him and then it’s immediately followed by saying He hears everything and He sees everything. Well, how do we know what seeing and hearing is if we don’t have a likeness in this world of it


All I will say about this is what Imaam Maalik said when asked about Istiwaa',
"The establishment (Istiwaa') is known, the 'how' is inconceivable, and to ask about it is an innovation!". And in other narrations from Imaam Maalik, he even said to the man, "And I see you as but a person of innovation", and he ordered for him to be taken out of the Masjid.

And in another narration, Imaam Maalik said in commenting on the Aayah
"The Merciful established Himself over the Throne” just as He described Himself. One cannot ask 'how.' 'How' does not apply to Him. And you are an evil man, a man of innovation. Take him out!" (Siyar A`laam an-Nubalaa', 7/416)
And as for Zaid Shaakir, then please read this article about him

http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/RefutationofZaydShaakir.pdf

Was-Salaam Alaikum


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Posted on 21-08-2007 19:08
Salaam Alaikum...

Regarding Ta'weel, here is a quote that I got from here: http://www.islamlife.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=329


Imaam Abul-Abbaas ibn Suraij known as `ash-Shaafi`ee the second` and he was a contemporary of Al-Ash`aree, said:
`We do not speak with Ta`weel (interpretation) of the Mu`tazilah, the Ash`arees, the Jahmiyyah, the apostates, the anthropomorphists (Mujassimah and Mushabbihah), the Karraamiyyah and those who declare Allaah to be like His creation (Mukayyifah - those asking about the modality of His attributes). Rather we accept them [the texts about Allaah`s attributes] without interpretation (Ta`weel) and we believe in them without declaring any likeness with the creation (Tamtheel).`


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Posted on 21-08-2007 21:11
Salaam Alaikum...

In addition, in response to Hamza Yoosuf saying that Allaah's Wajh means his essence, here are some Aayat and quotes that prove him wrong:

Allaah says in Surah al-Qiyaamah, Aayah 22-3, That, "Some faces that Day shall be Nâdirah (shining and radiant). Looking at their Lord (Allâh); (Al-Qiyamah 75:22-23)

It is stated in Tafseer al-Jalaalain in explanation of this Aayah, "Looking at their Lord, meaning they (the believers) will be looking at Allaah on the day of judgment."

And in Tafseer al-Qurtubee in explanation of that Aayah it is stated,

And Ibn `Umar used to say, "The most favoured from among the people of Jannah are those who look at His face day and night." And then His Aayah, ta`alaa, was recited, Some faces that Day shall be Nâdirah (shining and radiant). Looking at their Lord (Allâh); (Al-Qiyamah 75:22-23). And al-Hasan used to say, "Their faces will become radiant and they will look at thier Lord."

Additionally, Shaykh Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa`di said in Tafseer of this Aayah (as mentioned by brother Abu Zayd),
Shayk Abdir-Rahmaan Sa’dee(ÑÍãå Çááå in his tafseer says about surah al-insan vers. 9 that, “They intend with their giving and feeding (those who are in need) seeking the face of Allah.” From the history of the Muslims, we know that the Jahmiyyah sect are the once who denied the face of Allah. They merely interpreted as “self” meaning Allah himself. The two great scholars, Al-Khattabi and Imaam Al-Bayhaqi have explained that Allah has attributed face for Himself.Furthermore, Allah says in Surah Ar-Rahmaan,


“And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will abide forever.” (Ar-Rahman 55:27)
In this ayah Allah describes the His face with “Majesty” and “Honor”. In addition, others who denied the face of Allah say that “face” means the “rewards which He gives to his obedient slaves.” So, if this is true, why did the prophet (Õáí Çááå Úáíå æ Óáã say, “I seek refuge in Your Glorious Face that You might give me shade. You are the Living who does not die, while men and jinn die.”

Ibn Katheer said in Tafseer of the Aayah 92:20-1,

Except only the desire to seek the Countenance of his Lord, the Most High; (Al-Lail 92:20) He surely will be pleased (when he will enter Paradise). (Al-Lail 92:21)

"'Seek the Countenance of his Lord, the Most High', meaning, eager for himself to gain seeing Him in the next life, in the Gardens of Jannah."


At-Tabari says in Tafseer of 55:27, And the face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will abide forever. (Ar-Rahman 55:27),

"And He, ta`alaa, says that everyone on the face of the earth- be they Jinns or Mankind is bound for destruction, except the Face of your Lord O Muhammad, full of Majesty and Honor; and full of Majesty and Honor is a description of His Face."

At-Tabaree mentioned in his Tafseer of 10:26,

For those who have done good is the best (reward, i.e. Paradise) and even more (i.e. having the honour of glancing at the Countenance of Allâh) (Yunus 10:26)


Ibn Bashshaar informed us, he said, `Abdur-Rahmaan mentioned informed us, he said, Israa'eel informed us, from Abee Is-haaq, from `Aamir bin Sa`d, from Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq, "For those who have done good is the best, and even more", Abu Bakr said, '[It means] looking unto their Lord's Countenance.'" And this has been narrated by at-Tabari on more than one account.

Here are many quotes from the explainers of the Qur'an.

Was-Salaam Alaikum


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Posted on 22-08-2007 06:59
Regarding Zaytuna institute and other sufi organisations.............. then Dr saleh as saleh has exposed them for what they are..........


Read His book dispraise of hawaa............. get it and the reality hamza yusuf and others will be manifested greatly..........

You can download the books in parts just do a google search....
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Posted on 26-08-2007 02:26
Assalamu 'Allaykum,

Brother Osoma, you should clearly think twice about defending these individuals because their mistakes are for the blind to see. It has become clear over the years that they are working to destroy Islam from within by introducing false principals in the field of da'wah. But again you can defend them their baatil in this dunyaa but will you be able to do that in front of Allah?

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